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	<title>Comments on: Grokking GORM - Part 1: Conventional Thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Rudolph</title>
		<link>http://jasonrudolph.com/blog/2007/07/20/groking-gorm-part-1-conventional-thinking/#comment-6612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rudolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi Rupert, I&#39;m sorry to hear about your frustrations with Grails.  I wonder if you can help us track down your issues.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;This is just another example of a bunch of problems. grails says &#8220;I cannot do that&#8230; because&#8230; nightly build shot blah blah please use other version or run grails upgrade&#8221;.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;This is the first I&#39;ve heard of this issue.  If you can describe your environment and the steps needed to reproduce this issue, we&#39;d like to help.  The &lt;a href="http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS" title="Browse Project - jira.codehaus.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Grails JIRA site&lt;/a&gt; is open for anyone to log issues.  In fact, &lt;a href="http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2007/06/18/grails-bugs-jira-our-asses-please/" title="AnyWare  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Grails bugs&#8230; Jira our asses please!" rel="nofollow"&gt;we encourage it&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;Grails is changing too much all the time, it seems to be impossible to &#8220;start&#8221;. I mean - I do not want to start with grails 0.5.6 because 0.6 seems so much more sophisticated and 0.5 will soon cease to exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Such is the face of technology, but the &lt;a href="http://grails.org/roadmap" title="Grails - Roadmap" rel="nofollow"&gt;Grails roadmap&lt;/a&gt; is clear in its intention to continue to grow the framework.  Like most projects, you can expect to see a fair amount of change (albeit all in the name of progress) on the road to 1.0.  Of course, once we reach 1.0 later this year, future changes will have a greater consciousness toward backward compatibility with older versions.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;I would surely be willing to buy a book, if need be. Why not. But I fear a book will not help me either, because a book that is several months old (or at even a few weeks only) will most certainly refer to an outdated grails version.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Books aren&#39;t for everyone, but luckily there are &lt;a href="http://grails.org/User+Guide" title="Grails - User guide" rel="nofollow"&gt;many&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://grails.org/Tutorials" title="Grails - Tutorials" rel="nofollow"&gt;other&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://grails-exchange.com/" title="Grails eXchange 2007 : The First International Grails eXchange" rel="nofollow"&gt;sources&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href="http://nofluffjuststuff.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;help you learn&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="http://aboutgroovy.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;about&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href="http://grails.org/" title="Grails - Home" rel="nofollow"&gt;Grails&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I do hope you&#39;ll help us track down your issue and give Grails another shot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Hi Rupert, I&#39;m sorry to hear about your frustrations with Grails.  I wonder if you can help us track down your issues.</p> <blockquote>This is just another example of a bunch of problems. grails says &ldquo;I cannot do that&hellip; because&hellip; nightly build shot blah blah please use other version or run grails upgrade&rdquo;.</blockquote> <p>This is the first I&#39;ve heard of this issue.  If you can describe your environment and the steps needed to reproduce this issue, we&#39;d like to help.  The <a href="http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GRAILS" title="Browse Project - jira.codehaus.org" rel="nofollow">Grails JIRA site</a> is open for anyone to log issues.  In fact, <a href="http://www.anyware.co.uk/2005/2007/06/18/grails-bugs-jira-our-asses-please/" title="AnyWare  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Grails bugs&hellip; Jira our asses please!" rel="nofollow">we encourage it</a>.</p> <blockquote>Grails is changing too much all the time, it seems to be impossible to &ldquo;start&rdquo;. I mean - I do not want to start with grails 0.5.6 because 0.6 seems so much more sophisticated and 0.5 will soon cease to exist.</blockquote> <p>Such is the face of technology, but the <a href="http://grails.org/roadmap" title="Grails - Roadmap" rel="nofollow">Grails roadmap</a> is clear in its intention to continue to grow the framework.  Like most projects, you can expect to see a fair amount of change (albeit all in the name of progress) on the road to 1.0.  Of course, once we reach 1.0 later this year, future changes will have a greater consciousness toward backward compatibility with older versions.</p> <blockquote>I would surely be willing to buy a book, if need be. Why not. But I fear a book will not help me either, because a book that is several months old (or at even a few weeks only) will most certainly refer to an outdated grails version.</blockquote> <p>Books aren&#39;t for everyone, but luckily there are <a href="http://grails.org/User+Guide" title="Grails - User guide" rel="nofollow">many</a> <a href="http://grails.org/Tutorials" title="Grails - Tutorials" rel="nofollow">other</a> <a href="http://grails-exchange.com/" title="Grails eXchange 2007 : The First International Grails eXchange" rel="nofollow">sources</a> to <a href="http://nofluffjuststuff.com" rel="nofollow">help you learn</a>  <a href="http://aboutgroovy.com" rel="nofollow">about</a>  <a href="http://grails.org/" title="Grails - Home" rel="nofollow">Grails</a>.</p> <p>I do hope you&#39;ll help us track down your issue and give Grails another shot.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rupert P</title>
		<link>http://jasonrudolph.com/blog/2007/07/20/groking-gorm-part-1-conventional-thinking/#comment-6548</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupert P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would love to get started with Grails, but alas... I can't.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is just another example of a bunch of problems.
grails says "I cannot do that... because... nightly build shot blah blah please use other version or run grails upgrade".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I ran grails upgrade.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am getting a 503 error.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Grails is changing too much all the time, it seems to be impossible to "start". I mean - I do not want to start with grails 0.5.6
because 0.6 seems so much more sophisticated and 0.5 will soon cease to exist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would surely be willing to buy a book, if need be. Why not.
But I fear a book will not help me either, because a book that is several months old (or at even a few weeks only) will most certainly refer to an  outdated grails version.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to get started with Grails, but alas&#8230; I can&#8217;t.</p>

<p>This is just another example of a bunch of problems.
grails says &#8220;I cannot do that&#8230; because&#8230; nightly build shot blah blah please use other version or run grails upgrade&#8221;.</p>

<p>So I ran grails upgrade.</p>

<p>I am getting a 503 error.</p>

<p>Grails is changing too much all the time, it seems to be impossible to &#8220;start&#8221;. I mean - I do not want to start with grails 0.5.6
because 0.6 seems so much more sophisticated and 0.5 will soon cease to exist.</p>

<p>I would surely be willing to buy a book, if need be. Why not.
But I fear a book will not help me either, because a book that is several months old (or at even a few weeks only) will most certainly refer to an  outdated grails version.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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